Revelation 6: 2-8,The Four Horsemen, Interpreted By Daniel 7


Revelation 6: 2-8,The Four Horsemen, Interpreted By Daniel 7
Bernard Pyron

On a Christian forum a guy said: “Revelation cannot be interpreted apart from the Old Testament because all of its symbolism and imagery is pulled directly from it.”

In Revelation 6: 2-8 there are images given for each of the four horses. But the four have to be interpreted as a set, and by other scripture. You cannot say one horse is the super one man, THE anti-Christ, and another is Islam, for example, though one or more of the horses could include something about the anti-Christ spirit and Islam.

In the Old Testament, where do you find sets of four entities? In Daniel 2: 31-43 there is a set of four images, which represent kingdoms, in succession, the gold, silver, brass and iron (mixed with clay) kingdoms. In verse 38 Daniel says to Nebuchadnezzar “Thou art this head of gold,”meaning that Babylon was the gold kingdom, followed in succession by the silver, which is Persia, then the brass, which is the Greek kingdom and last the iron or Roman kingdom.

There were two kingdoms before Babylon, the Egyptian and Assyrian kingdoms, making six kingdoms up to and including Rome. In Daniel 2: 44 Daniel says God himself will set up a kingdom which will stand forever. This kingdom was the seventh in succession and was set up “in the days of these kings,” in other words during the time of the Roman empire.

The seventh is the rest of God (Hebrews 3: 15-19, Hebrews 4: 3-4, Revelation 17: 11). Man was created on the sixth day (Genesis 1: 26-31) and so we might say that the six kingdoms up to and including Rome was the time of man. And then the seventh, spiritual kingdom, arrived during the time of Rome. Revelation 17: 11 indicates that the beast moves out of number seven into number eight. Number eight is a mix of God’s kingdom with man’s kingdom which is an apostasy.

So we can say that the kingdom succession could repeat after the kingdom of God appears. In other words, after the Cross there could be another set of six kingdoms, leading up to modern times.

We see another set of four entities in Daniel 7: 4-8, which are represented by the lion who first had eagle’s wings, then the bear, followed by the leopard, and the fourth was dreadful and terrible. These are the four beast empires. But in history, after the Cross, there were the Holy Roman Empire, and the Empire of Spain, both totally Catholic. Adding the earlier Holy Roman and Spanish empires, there are six empires up to the present time.

But the British empire rose up when the Spanish Armada was defeated and for several centuries was powerful. In 1917, the Soviet Union or Russian empire began, and in a dialectic reaction against that, the Nazi German empire began in about 1933 when Hitler came to power. There was a strong non-Catholic influence on all these empires, including the dreadful and terrible beast empire, which is the last, that might be seen as the U.S. and/or some sort of world government, that is a mix of the British (Lion), Russian (Bear) and Nazi Germany (Leopard) empires. England had a strong protestant influence, and so did Germany and the U.S.

We can fit these last four beast empires as a set of four into the four horsemen of Revelation 6: 2-8. The white horse is the British empire. Daniel 7: 4 says it has a man’s heart, suggesting it is not quite as evil as the other beasts. But the white horse beast carries with it the ideology of usury. the Bank of England played an important role in introducing usury banking as a ruling principle in the modern world. Daniel’s King of the North in Daniel 11 in modern times is empowered by usury, creating money out of nothing, loaning it to people and collecting interest and taking much of the people’s money in the process to make the big bankers rich and powerful.

The red horse is the Soviet Union and its ideology is Marxist. So the red horse also represents Marxism and this includes cultural Marxism which was introduced into the U.S. in the fifties and is important now in our culture and politics. Marxism includes the dialectic as an attitude or belief changing procedure. Remember the Marxists talk about dialectical materialism?

The black horse is Nazi Germany. Following the end of World War II the U.S. imported a number of former Nazi intelligence officers and scientists, and introduced an influence in the U.S. from the black horse. The black horse’s influence can be seen in the power of giant corporations. Remember that in Nazi Germany there were huge corporation structures, such as one called I.G. Farben. It was a huge chemical and drug corporation. Bayer company and some other drug companies then were part of IG Farben. So the American drug corporations which are so powerful can be traced in part back to black horse drug sorcery.

The U.S. is on one level the pale or green horse. Its a combination of the other three horses. The usury banking system coming from England is an important ideology which has empowered the American empire, which took on cultural Marxism, and some of the ideology of Nazi Germany after 1946-47, and the creation of the national security state.

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The Origins of Dispensationalist Theology

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The Origins of Dispensationalist Theology
Bernard Pyron

Dispensationalism has also been called Separation Theology, Christian Zionism, the Rapture Cult and Scofieldism.

The Origins of Dispensationalist Theology
Bernard Pyron

On the site

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml

they say that:

"‎21 Goals of the Illuminati and The Committee of 300
By Dr. John Coleman

"13. To continue to build up the cult of Christian Fundamentalism
begun by the British East India Company's servant Darby, which will be
misused to strengthen the Zionist State of Israel by identifying with
the Jews through the myth of "God's chosen people", and by donating
very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a
religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity."

The goal of the ruling elite was to create and encourage
dispensationalism. One of the main reasons for developing
dispensationalism was to use it to strengthen Zionism. At he extreme
end of dispensationalismn, we have John Hagee and his Christians
United For Israel (CUFI).

John Coleman was once a British intelligence agent.

"Darby," mentioned above by John Coleman, is John Darby, the father of
19th century dispensationalist theology.

The excerpts below on John Darby are from:
http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/history/Timeline.htm

"Now about the same time as Margaret Macdonald's vision, John Darby,
among others, was playing with other elements of dispensationalism,
particularly, dividing history into ages.or dispensations. After the
teaching was birthed in 1830, it was still very unstructured and
incomplete, but it was quickly growing and evolving due to input from
several areas, especially the previously mentioned Edward Irving and
his church…"

"MacPherson states that Darby met with Scofield. I also believe they
met and that it was no coincidence, but preplanned".

Author Joseph Canfield points the significance out. He writes
"Convert Scofield 'happened to be in the one city in North America
which had been singled out by John Nelson Darby for concentrated
"planting the seed" of Darby's special brand of Bible teaching.'" I
believe this was just one figurehead (Darby) chosen by the
behind-the-scenes controllers, passing the torch of their false
doctrine on to his successor (Scofield). It would be hard for them to
hide the fact that they never had money problems when promoting this
pretrib teaching. As "luck" would have it, there always seemed to be
wealthy benefactors nearby. This included men like eccentric banker
Henry Drummond, who was involved from the beginning , making his
resources available to Irving's church in London and continuing to
support the movement. Researcher Robert L. Pierce noted "…Darby's
unusual mobility, for his day and time and his seeming lack of
financial problems."[xii] Scofield had Union 76 oil baron Lyman
Stewart, Arno C. Gaebelein and some of his wealthy friends who chose
to remain as anonymous as possible…"

The MacPherson above is Dave MacPherson who has researched the origins
of dispensationalist theology. See
http://www.raptureready.com/who/Dave_MacPherson.html

"MacPherson (was) a newsman turned rapture researcher. MacPherson's
major book The Rapture Plot (Millennium III Publishers, 1994), is only
one of the latest in a series of revisions of his original discourse
The Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin (Heart of America Bible Society,
1973). His books include the following: The Three R's: Rapture,
Revisionism, Robbery (P.O.S.T., 1998), The Great Rapture Hoax (New
Puritan Library, 1983), Rapture? (New Puritan Library, 1987), The
Incredible Cover-Up (Omega Publications, 1975), The Late Great
Pre-Trib Rapture (Heart of America Bible Society, 1974)."

On http://www.scionofzion.com/revisers.htm

Dave MacPherson makes a number of statements about the origins of dispensationalism of separation theology..

MacPherson says "John Walvoord truthfully viewed as one of the "early" pretribs!), have also claimed that Darby first "understood" pretrib in either late 1826 or early 1827, and that Darby based his earliest development primarily on the "distinction" between the
"church" and "Israel" which, he said, would necessitate a separation between both groups that only a pretrib rapture could attain."

John Darby (1800-1882) said that the dispensation of law ended at the cross when the dispensation of grace began. But then when the seven year dispensationalist tribulation period begins, another dispensation of law begins – so proposed Darby. This created a problem for Darby's thery. How could another dispensation of law go on when the Church was still on earth? He thought that in the dispensation of law during the tribulation, God would be dealing with the Jews. Would the Church in the
tribulation return to be under the law? The solution was that Darby postulated that before the events of the tribulation began and the one man dispensationalist Anti-Christ appeared, the Church would be raptured off the earth. With the Church gone, God would then turned to deal with the Jews during the tribulation. This point of Darby's theory may be the origin of the claim that the Book of Revelation is only for the Jews, since only they of God's people will be on earth in the tribulation.

If the Church is raptured off the earth, leaving the Jews, what happens to the few Jews who have accepted Christ? Darby and later dispensationalists do noit seem to deal with Messianic Jews, or with the vast majority of Jews who have rejected Christ entirely.

Darby proposed a radical separation between the Church and the Jews, and apparently then said that
when a Jew comes to believe in Christ he becomes part of the Church and is no longer part of Israel.
Of course, the messianic Jews would tend to reject this idea, wanting to be followers of Messiah and still be part of Israel.

MacPherson goes on to say that
"Not until 1839 ("Notes on the Revelation") did Darby have clear pretrib teaching! Basing it on Rev. 12:5's "man child" who was "caught up," he wrote: "If we apply it to the saints, who overcome here…then we find that…they are caught up out of his [the dragon's] way….; and the trial and persecution fall on those who are left here—-upon the woman."

"In the Sep., 1830 Irvingite journal, a writer discussing Revelation's seven churches taught that "Philadelphia" will be "caught up" before a future "period of great tribulation" while the "Laodicean church" will be left behind "on earth" to face that period—-the first clear
public teaching of pretrib that I've found."

"My book "The Rapture Plot" has seven pages of short quotes from the same Irvingite mouthpiece (1831-1833) which indisputably disclose a pretrib rapture as well as pretrib-type imminence—-all appearing in print years before Darby expressed such concepts! The same book of mine also lists 21 short quotes that pretrib dispensationalists agree were Darby's earliest prophetic thoughts—-"truths" they claimed he alone derived from Scripture, "truths" that supposedly led him to come up with the pretrib idea before anyone else. After I quoted them, I revealed that ALL of them were actually Irving's words in his preface to Manuel Lacunza's 1827 work and added that Irving revealed that he had held to those "truths" since 1825! "

Note: Manuel or Emmanuel Lacunza, 1731-1801, was a Jesuit priest who wrote The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty (1790). Supposedly Lacunza wrote that before Christ appeared the second time there would be a general apostasy of the Catholic Church which would make it part of the Anti-christ. What is important also is that Lacunza'a book was based upon a futurist interpretation of Bible prophecy. According to http://www.theologue.org/Theory-JPEby.html Lacunza the Jesuit also claimed that Jesus will return return twice, and on his first return return He "raptures" the Church so they can escape the reign of the "future antichrist." This interpretation of a future Anti-Christ as one man was apparently meant to steer the Protestants away from saying the Pope was the present Anti-Christ.

Edward Irving, an associate of John Darby and the English Plymouth Brethren, discovered Lacunza's book and was influenced by it. He translated it into English, and it was published in 1827.

On the site shown above Dave MacPherson writes that "Years ago my wife and I visited an elderly fellow believer in his home in Alberta, Canada who told us, from firsthand knowledge, that soon after
the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in 1917, a man in that country went to his pastor, angrily threw down his Bible, and shouted: "You lied to us! You said we would be raptured away first!" The Dutch heroine Corrie ten Boom declared in a 1974 article that when communism took over in China "millions of Christians were tortured to death" who had previously been assured: "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated—-raptured."

The story of the beginnings of dispensationalism continues in the United States with Cyrus
Scofield, and how he was aided by Zionists in promoting the doctrine.

The excerpts that follow are from:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

Cyrus Scofield was involved in a railroad scam which led to Cyrus
serving time for criminal forgery. In prison, Scofield read the
dispensationalist theology of John Darby, which included the teaching
that physical Israel is still God's chosen people, and the rapture
doctrine.

"Following his Illuminati connections to New York, he settled in at
the Lotus Club, which he listed as his residence for the next twenty
years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian
Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer,
who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president
of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the
Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League.

"Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist
leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus,
Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the people who financed
Scofield's research trips to Oxford and arranged the publication and
distribution of his concordance."

The following is from:
http://www.geocities.com/pvrosman/Dispensationalism_CIScofield_Pope_Of
_Premillenialism.html

"The purpose of Samuel Untermeier, and those associated with him was
to find a way to get fundamental Christians to have an interest in and
support for the international Zionist cause. Which had been one of
Untermeiers life long projects."

" With the many ministers of the 1920 and 1930s around preaching
Scofield's Dispensationalism — in his words, the "new testimony,"
became common but was not heard of 100 years ago. The push was on in
the late 1930s to get the Scofield reference Bible into the hands of
Protestant denominations. Scofield notes stating right on the pages of
King James Bible that "the Jews are all of Israel…"

The quotes below are out of:
http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/history/Timeline.htm

"1909 — Cyrus I. Scofield, having been won over by illumination of
the new revelation, joined the team and with that previously mentioned
financial help, released his Scofield Reference Bible. Cyrus wanted to
use the bible of his heroes, Westcott and Hort, for this project.
However, he knew that due to the prominence of the KJV and the meager
results of the Revised Version sales, that his dispenationalist
teachings would never get anywhere if coupled with the R.V. So he used
the KJV, but he subtly showed his contempt for it and his reverence
for the Revised Version. This is how he did it. Everywhere that the
King James disagreed with the Revised Version in an area of doctrinal
importance, Cyrus inserted a footnote stating the KJV was incorrect
and he always offered a "more correct" rendering which was almost
always identical to the RV…."

"Before C.I. Scofield passed on, he passed the torch of illumination
on to his faithful disciple Lewis Sperry Chafer.

"The Seeds Are Fertilized…

1924 — Lewis Sperry Chafer founded the Dallas Theological Seminary.
Remnants of the torch that he received from Scofield can be seen in
the Seminary's logo as the Masonic Eternal Flame, sitting atop the
scriptures. This one institution is without a doubt, the most
responsible for disseminating the heretical teachings of
dispensationalism and the pretribulation rapture. It is my hope that
the reader will see links which have surfaced, forming a chain to
create, shackle and direct the dispensationalist movement from the
beginning. Millions embrace the teachings of this movement, believing
it comes from the throne room of God. Others promoting it have been
aware of its true source and clandestine purposes and have conspired
against the true Body of Christ. It is the latter that I have tried to
point out."

The Niagara Bible Conferences held from 1876 to 1897 were important for the very early
spreading of dispensationalism into American churches in the late 19th century.

The excerpts below are from:
http://www.defconamerica.org/meet-the-religious-right/tim-lahaye-end-
times-theology.html

"Premillennial Dispensationalism was fathered by John Darby in 19th
century Britain…A 2004 Newsweek poll found that 55% of Americans
believe "that the faithful will be taken up to heaven in the Rapture."
(My note: All those who follow
a premillennial viewpoint are certainly not dispensationalists)

"Beyond the influence Dispensationalism has through its electoral
power " some estimate that followers of this ideology compose up to
15% of the electorate " the leading purveyors of this ideology are
also very well connected. In 1981 Tim LaHaye founded the Council for
National Policy, becoming the organization's first president.
Attendees of the Council for National Policy's secretive tri-annual
meetings " whose members include leaders of the religious right and
top tier conservative organizers " have included President Bush, Sen.
Bill Frist, John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson, and Oliver North. Donald
Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were featured speakers at one of the group's
meetings only two months after the invasion of Iraq."

Great Earthquakes In Diverse Places

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Great Earthquakes In Diverse Places
Bernard Pyron

Luke 21: 11 says "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven."

Jim McCanney, the unorthodox astronomer, in his March 17, 2011 broadcast
focused on the
earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear power plant problem in
Japan, plus the lack of preparedness of both the Japanese and the
rest of the world for disasters, especially including the United
States.

McCanney said that the company, General Electric, who built the
nuclear power plants in
Japan used weapons grade plutonium. You can type in " weapons grade
plutonium in Fukushima nuclear power plant." in Google.

According to McCanney it was not necessary to use weapons grade
plutonium in nuclear power plants. Apparently the company used it
because it was cheaper since the Soviet Union and other nations were
disposing of weapons grade plutonium. But, McCanney said, weapons
grade plutonium is more dangerous when a disaster happens to a nuclear
power plant.

In addition, as has become apparent, the nuclear reactors in a power
plant have to be kept cool, or serious problems will develop. And –
the nuclear power plants in the world are dependent upon the
availability of electricity. When a great earthquake (Luke 21: 11),
hits, it can cut electric power lines whch may not be repaired quickly
enough to avert a meltdown of the reactors. The result can be a
release of radiation which is more dangerous due to the use of
weapons grade plutonium.

McCanney said that radiation is picked up in dust, etc and gets into
the jet stream, which in the northern hemisphere moves west to east.
He said there are nuclear power plants in California which, like
those of Japan, have weapons grade plutonium. If a great earthquake
hits California and shuts down the electric grid there, the jet stream
will carry the dangerous level of radiation east over the United
States.

The problem, McCanney said, is that neither Japan nor the U.S. is
prepared for such a disaster. Neither country has stockpiles of food,
an adequate supply of water filters or other necessary items which
would enable many to survive such a disaster. He said that in the
fifties we had grain stored which could last seven years, but now we
are totally dependent on trucks to bring food into the supermarkets, a
system which is vulnerable to disaster.. The West, or the developed
nations, including Japan, are run on the basis of making money.

McCanney didn't talk much about the New Madrid fault, but there is a lot
of talk on the Internet about it. Here is one article:

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Earth_Changes/090830.Memphis.fault.found.html

"Using new techniques to scan sediments thousands of feet beneath the
Mississippi River bottom, University of Memphis researchers noticed a
troubling crack that showed up like a bone fracture on an X-ray.

It was an earthquake fault — crisscrossing the river in front of Memphis."

The previously unknown fault lies well outside the New Madrid Seismic
Zone, a network of fissures zigzagging from near Cairo, Ill., to
Marked Tree, Ark., about 35 miles northwest of Memphis.

The seismic zone triggers hundreds of small quakes each year and
during the winter of 1811-12 generated a series of massive shocks
believed to be at least magnitude 7 in strength."

http://www.ufotrax.com/seismicmap.htm

"A quick comparison of the New Madrid, MO fault and the FEMA chart
show a prediction that the New Madrid fault has the propensity to
become active with devastating changes on the horizon. Most
guesstimates explain that the New Madrid fault has a 90% chance of
movement by 2040, the FEMA chart shows the probability before 2013.

As you look at the 'boot heel' of Missouri on the map on the left, you
will see a lot of activity similar in shape to the chart on the right
which shows the Mississippi River expanding like an inner sea. The map
on the left shows the center of activity covering three states –
Missouri, Tennesee and Arkansas. The chart on the right shows the
confluence of the three states to be underwater, encompassing the
'boot heel' of Missouri. "

"Also, you will notice that the New Madrid fault drops down below sea level…"

Another site says:

"What BP has done is that they have uncorked an "oil volcano" that is
violently spewing oil and gas out of the floor of the Gulf of Mexico
so violently and with such pressure that it is beyond the capacity of
human technology to control it. Millions upon millions of gallons of
oil have already been pumped into the Gulf of Mexico, and millions
upon millions more will continue to be pumped into the Gulf before all
of this is over. So could all of this violent activity on the floor
of the Gulf of Mexico spark seismic activity in the region that could
potentially be absolutely catastrophic? Could this "oil volcano"
cause an earthquake along the New Madrid fault line…?

Those are legitimate questions.

Nearly 200 years ago, earthquakes rattled the New Madrid fault line
that were so powerful that they are still talked about today.
Fortunately, at the time the areas impacted were not highly populated
so the damage was minimal. But similar earthquakes today would impact
millions of people.

The truth is that there were four earthquakes in 1811 and 1812 along
the New Madrid fault that were estimated to have been magnitude-7.0 or
greater. It was reported that those quakes opened deep fissures in
the ground and that they were felt as far away as Boston."

"a retired Texaco geologist-geophysicist named Jack M. Reed who has
been studying the geology of the Gulf of Mexico for over 40 years
believes that the Gulf of Mexico is currently tectonically active.

In fact, Reed believes that it is the Gulf of Mexico that is the
likely origin for New Madrid seismic activity.

According to Reed, there is evidence that the New Madrid seismic zone
is directly connected with geological features in the Gulf of
Mexico….

"This northeast trending earthquake zone appears to connect with the
northeast trending Monroe Uplift, the LaSalle Arch and, possibly, to
an active seismic zone located in and around Sabine Lake on the
Texas-Louisiana border."

Not only that, but Reed believes that the key to unlocking the mystery
behind the New Madrid fault zone lies in examining the "deeply buried
tectonics" in the Gulf…"

"Because if the "Big One" does hit the New Madrid fault, the cities of
Memphis, Tennessee and St. Louis, Missouri will essentially be
destroyed. In addition, there would be devastation in a host of
surrounding states including Illinois, Kentucky, Mississippi, Indiana,
Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas and Tennessee.

So just how bad would the damage be?

Well, according to a study publicly released this week by the
University of Illinois, it is projected that a 7.7-magnitude
earthquake along the New Madrid fault would leave 3,500 people dead,
more than 80,000 injured and more than 7 million homeless."

However, earthquakes cause much more damage to large cities than to
rural areas – and a mobile home is much lighter than a heavy regular
wood or stone house. A travel trailer would probably survive a great
earthquake without tearing apart too much.

Here is the last site for now:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/447/149/Nibiru_Safe_Zones_and_Survival_Strategies.html

1. Move 100+ miles from the coasts.
2. Move 200 feet above sea level.
3. Move away from volcanoes and super volcanoes like Yellowstone in
northwestern USA.
4. Move away from earthquake/seismic/avalanche/
fault zones like the
New Madrid Fault Zone in central USA.
5. Move away from dams that will break.
6. New Madrid pops and the Mississippi River Valley up to lake
Michigan will be shaken to mud and washed away.
7. Move away from nuclear power plants to become compromised.

Rolla, Missouri is only 1148 feet above sea level. Its only 110 miles
east to the Mississippi river.

Christ, the Savior of Israel

Christ, the Savior of Israel
Bernard Pyron

Judaism is a mix of pagan religion with the Old Covenant law. Its a religion of man and of the flesh. It is in large part a continuation of the religion of the Pharisees of Christ’s time. Christianity is ethnic Israel reborn in Jesus Christ (John 3: 1-6). At the Cross and at the Day of Pentecost that which was formerly physical was transformed into the spiritual in Christ and in the Holy Spirit. Entry into Israel before was by the physical seed of Abraham, the temple was a physical building, and circumcision of Jewish men was in the flesh. Afterwards, entry into Israel is by faith, the temple is the believer and circumcision was done away with and Paul in Galatians argues against it.

Christ came as the savior of Israel. In Matthew 15: 24 Christ says “…I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But almost all in ethnic Israel rejected him. John 1: 11 tells us that “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” Several Old Testament prophets, including Isaiah especially, had predicted that Israel, or ethnic Israel, would be the light of the Gentiles and the Gentiles would be brought into Israel. The Israel we were brought into is Israel reborn in Christ.

Many corporate church Christians now in the falling away of II Thessalonains 2: 3 fail to understand the importance of what Paul says in Romans 2: 28-29 and Romans 9: 6-8. Read these passages in the King James Version.

Romans 2: 28-29 says “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29.But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

And Romans 9: 6-8 says “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

Paul is subtle in places, especially in Galatians 6: 16 “…peace be to them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” Now many or even most Christians read this as just saying “peace upon Israel”, and they interpret Israel as the Jews.

But Paul is saying “the Israel which is of God,” following what he said in Romans 2: 28-29 and Romans 9: 6-8. There are two Israels. One is ethnic Israel which mostly rejected Christ and is unsaved. The other Israel accepted Christ and is saved. The Israel that is saved is the Israel which is of God.

Christ did not come to be the savior of a construct now called “the church.” Church is just an English translation of the Greek word, ekklesia, meaning an assembly of believers. Ekklesia can mean a congregation, but “church” is not something that stands alongside of Israel, such that God has two different peoples, Israel and “the church.” Salvation is only in Israel, but entry into Israel reborn in Christ is now by faith and no longer by being a physical descendant of Abraham.

The Leipzig School and the Deliberate Dumbing Down of Americans

The Leipzig School and the Deliberate Dumbing Down of Americans
Bernard Pyron

The Frankfurt School played an important role in the origin of the counterculture, the sex lib movement and perhaps in part in the New Age Occult movement. Theodore W. Adorno and Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School operated from major American universities and their ideas influenced the more educated Baby Boomers who created the counterculture. In turn, the counterculture weakened Christianity in the U.S., lowered our moral standards and created widespread divorce.

I came across a web site somewhere saying that Georg Lukacs (1885-1971), the Hungarian Jewish Marxist, when he was Deputy Commissar for the Bolshevik Regime in Hungary in 1918 introduced a sex education program in the schools which tried to promote sex outside of marriage. It didn’t go over too well. Like Antonio Gramsci, Lukacs said Christianity must first be destroyed before Marxism can take over the West.Theorode W. Adorno, of the Frankfurt School, in his 1950 book The Authoritarian Personality, posing as a personality and social psychologist, claimed that fascism is caused by Christianity and the strong family and wanted to get rid of both. The naive American personality and social shrinks of the fifties and sixties bought this propaganda as hypotheses to be tested in studies using questionnaires. Adorno’s propaganda filtered down out of the major universities to the Baby Boomers who populated the hippie movement and the entire counterculture. In the sixties and seventies, there were some people older than Baby Boomers in the counterculture, but the Baby Boomers constituted the bulk of the movements.

Self psychology under Carl Rogers and A.H. Maslow, as well as the art bohemian movement, were allied movements of the counterculture. Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School was one of the main fathers of the New Left and wrote about it and gave talks to students on the New left. His book, Eros and Civilization, was important in promoting the sex lib strand of the counterculture. Wilhelm Reich, the psychoanalyst of the Frankfurt School also had an influence upon the sexual liberation movement. In the major universities, like Wisconsin, the Gay Rights and lesbianism movements followed closely on the heels of the heterosexual sex lib movement, allied with the counterculture. Reich was highly anti-Christian.

Since Max Horkheimer as director of the Frankfurt School for Social Research decided to use the Institute to promote the ideas of George Lukacs, I wonder if Herbert Marcuse was just carrying on the bent of Bolshevik Commissar Lukacs to weaken the family and Christian morality by advocating sex outside of marriage? And Freud is the guy who in subtle ways helped start the anti- Christian and sex lib movements in the West.

There was another school of thought, like the Frankfurt School centered in the major American universities, which has had a tremendous anti-Christian influence upon this country and is largely responsible for the deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Charlotte Iserbyt wrote a book on “Progressive Education” called “The deliberate Dumbing Down of America.” This influence is sometimes called the Leipzig School. The Leipzig School began with Wilhelm Wundt (1832-1920), known as the father of experimental psychology. At the University of Leipzig, Wundt established one of the first labs to experimentally study some forms of human behavior, largely sensory psychology. William James had created a lab for experimental psychology at about this same time in the U.S. Wundt trained the first generation of American experimental psychologists. His influence was so great in this country that almost all experimental psychologists trained in the major universities can trace their lineage back to Wundt. One of Wundt’s Ph.D. students was Edward Bradford Titchener (1867- 1927), who taught experimental psychology at Cornell for years. Karl M. Dallenbach received his Ph.D. under Titchener, and in his later years Dallenbach taught introductory psychology at the University of Texas where I was his student at one time.

Granville Stanley Hall (1844-1924) received his Ph.D. under William James (1842-1910) but also studied under Wilhelm Wundt at Leipzig. Hall became interested in child psychology and in education. At Johns Hopkins University John Dewey (1859-1952) received his Ph.D. under Hall. Dewey became the founder of “Progressive Education” in America. Dewey was influenced by the reductionist approach of Wundt as well as later by the educational system in the Soviet Union. I wonder if Dewey got some ideas from the early Bolsevick sex education programs, especially that of Commissar Georg Lukacs (1885-1971) in Hungary in 1918. Lukacs had an influence upon the Frankfurt School.

The Leipzig School then is largely made up of Wilhelm Wundt, Granville Stanley Hall and John Dewey. Some of their younger followers could also be included in the Leipzig School. Just as Charles Darwin promoted an anti-Christian mindset, so Wilhelm Wundt created a godless world view based upon his experimental psychology. Wundt’s approach to human behavior reduced man to his animal nature. Later behaviorism under John B. Watson and B.F. Skinner, following Wundt to some extent, reduced man to drives and conditioning. Skinner was clearly opposed to Christianity. Dewey continued the anti-Christian attitude of Wundt and apparently Wundt’s reduction of humans to their animal nature. At first Dewey worked from the Rockefeller founded Education Department of the University of Chicago. In 1904 Dewey moved to Columbia Teacher’s College of Columbia University. At Columbia his influence on American education became tremendous. We can see Dewey’s possible influence on Carl Rogers who got his graduate education at Columbia. Rogers emphasized feelings over cognitive abilities, as does Dewey’s “Progressive Education,” Since Rogers taught that desires and feelings are the most important part of the human self, then there is some indirect influence of Dewey upon the counterculture.

Carl Rogers was one of the psychologists who brought us what Dean Gotcher calls the “Diaprax,” or the deceptive use of dialogue as a small group attitude change procedure, which has wider applications. Rogers used the Diaprax in encounter groups during the late sixties and seventies.

In addition to being Anti-Christian, Dewey was a socialist. He rejected God and all absolute truth and absolute morality. To Dewey, man was just a biological organism without a soul. He opposed teaching basic reading, writing and math which can help students develop their cognitive and thinking abilities. Dewey’s influence on American education over the years helped to produce people who feel and have opinions rather than think and try to understand reality. To Dewey personal experience leads to learning. Dewey’s “Progressive Education” has developed in such a way that it favors slower students and hinders students with higher intelligence. Some students who may have higher intelligence but are frustrated by being hindered by their teachers may be diagnosed by the School Shrinks as having Attention Deficit Disorder and ordered to take Ritalin and in some cases also anti-depressants. Ritalin can become addictive. It has caused heart disease in children and even death (http://www.ritalindeath.com). “Attention Deficit Disorder” is a supposed new psychological condition School Psychologists and Psychiatrists have dreamed up. It involves inattention and hyperactivity. On http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/ritalin.htm they say that “Ritalin and amphetamine frequently cause the very same problems they are supposed to treat–inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity. A large percentage of children become robotic, lethargic, depressed, or withdrawn on stimulants…”

Making school children who have higher intelligence “robotic, depressed or withdrawn” would appear also to reduce their cognitive functioning, making them less intelligent. In addition, the site above reports that Ritalin withdrawal can cause “… emotional suffering, including depression, exhaustion, and suicide. This can make children seem psychiatrically disturbed and lead mistakenly to increased doses of medication. Ritalin is addictive and can become a gateway drug to other addictions. It is a common drug of abuse among children and adults.”

“Progressive Education” is in large part responsible for the drugging of millions of school children by Ritalin. In Dewey’s system absolute morality is taboo and was replaced by moral relativism, values clarification and situation ethics. The system may have helped create some morally reprobate teachers and students, if not some psychopaths. Under the influence of Dewey and the Leipzig School of Wundt,and Hall, as well as Skinner, the American public school system came to focus on indoctrination and socialization. The teaching of literacy and most other cognitive skills suffered under this school. Marc Tucker (born 1940) has become one contemporary promoter of the Leipzig School’s “Progressive Education” plans. In 1992 Tucker outlined a plan for the federal government to fully take over all public schools in the states. Tucker wants to have behavorial psychologists decide what is taught in the public schools. He advocates outcome-based education to replace training in the basics. Training in the basics sometimes produces independent thinkers. A totalitarian society run in part on Fred Skinner’s behaviorist model of reward and punishment cannot tolerate free thinkers. For the totalitarians there are too many “free thinkers” now on the Internet. In addition, totalitarians do not want Christians running around who teach the truths of the Bible.

Tucker wants public education to educate young people to meet whatever goals the state wants to meet. Tucker’s totalitarian agenda is the foundation for the Goals 2000 and the School-To-Work Acts passed by Congress.
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Romans 13 and Obeying the Beast

Romans 13 and Obeying the Beast
Bernard Pyron

The beast is the government beast of Revelation 13: 1-10. In scripture
this beast government is part of the first beast of Revelation 13: 1-2, which is
influenced by the lion, bear, leopard and fourth dreadful and terrible kingdoms in Daniel
7. This part of the beast does not necessarily include Revelation 13: 3, the head
of the beast, or one part of it, the little horn of Daniel 7: 8, whose deadly wound was healed.

James Lloyd of Christian Media Network in one of his Internet radio broadcasts of May 3rd to the
5th of 2011 briefly mentioned the mark of the beast, which is in Revelation 13: 16-17. This
text says the second beast – which is the false prophet and the church in apostasy – causes
“all” to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads, and everyone must have this
mark of the beast, the name of the beast and the number of his name (Revelation 13: 18)
to be allowed to buy and sell. Of course, the first beast is made up of more than one head.
The mark of the beast can be said to be an indicator that one belongs to the part of the first
beast of Revelation 13: 1-2, the government.

Lloyd said that if we have debt, and a Social Security number we have the mark of the beast. The
implication here is that having debt to the big bankers, who are a vital part of the beast, having a Social
Security number, a driver’s license, a marriage license and a birth certificate means “our papers are in order”
as the Nazi Gestapo and the Soviet police demanded, and that we belong to the beast. This more lioteral
interpretation of the mark of the beast is in line with verse 17, that we must have the mark of the beast to be allowed to buy and sell. Under the financial beast part of the government beast we are required to buy and
sell with their money, which is fiat money. The lifeline of the beast is fiat money and the beast system runs on
usury, which is charging interest on loans of fiat money. The Bible forbids the practice of usury in many places, such as Exodus 22: 15. Revelation 18: 11-22 is talking about a part of the Babylon of prophecy which is the economic and
money system of the beast, and mentions more than once the emporoi, the world traders. The big bankers of the beast system are at the top of the ruling elite and they create fiat money out of nothing, loan it to the people, and charge them high rates of interest. If the people do not pay all that the big bankers claim are owned to them by the debts they put upon almost everyone, then the bankers send the collection agencies and the lawyers after the debtors
and may take their bank accounts, possessions and homes.

There can be another somewhat more metaphoric interpretation of the mark of the beast, which says the mark indicates that church Christians have given themselves to the second beast, the False Prophet, the church in apostasy. The mark therefore indicates they belong to the False Prophet and the church in false doctrines. But this interpretation should not replace the more literal one involving debt, etc because there is a truth in this interpretation.

The government beast therefore includes the financial elite, the big bankers of Europe and the U.S. And – people are already obeying this government-financial beast when they have debt, a Social Security number, a driver’s license, a marriage license, a birth certificate, etc.

A Christian can repent to God of having given himself to the beast, and try to come out of the system as much as possible, though if one’s debt is big its not possible to get rid of it soon, and operating without a driver’s license or Social Security number would be very difficult in America and in the world now. But God looks on the heart and if one’s heart is to come out of the beast, then that is repentance.

>Many American 501C(3) churches and preachers were deceived into
> supporting the Bush regime, and the present federal government which
> fails most of the time to act in the interests of the common people,
> including most church members. Now most still support the Obama regine.
Are they not moving toward the attitude
> of the majority of German Protestants during the Nazi era? Part of
> this attitude says that Christians should support and obey their
> government, no matter how wicked it may be in the view of some.

A majority of Protestant – Lutheran and Reformed – churches in Nazi
> Germany supported Hitler, just as many “conservative” churches in the
> U.S. supported the Bush regime.

>One of the main leaders of a small network of remnant German
> Christians who opposed Hitler was Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a Lutheran.
> Bonhoeffer and his brethren called their opposition the Confessing
> Church in Nazi Germany. Bonhoeffer was hung in 1945 by the Nazis for
> his testimony to Christ and for his courage, they say as the sound of
American artillery could be heard in the distance to the east.
>
> This majority of German Lutherans and Calvinists who supported Hitler
> and the Nazi government seemed to have forgotten that first the German
> Lutherans, and later the European and English Calvinists in the
> sixteenth century formulated a rationale to justify Christian
> opposition to the tyranny of government. And/or, the German pastors
> who knew of this Protestant history thought it better to ignore it and
> go along with Hitler.
>
> Blind obedience to bad government, one that oppresses and threatens
> many of its citizens or kills innocent people in foreign lands is not
> the Protestant heritage.

>As early as 1531 Martin Luther himself in his Warning to the Dear
> German People said that if the Catholic political leaders made war
> upon the Protestants, they were the real rebels, no longer lawful
> magistrates, and nothing but “assassins and traitors.”
>
> Lutheran Martin Bucer at about this time wrote that “…if a superior
> ruler falls into ungodly or tyrannical rule or causes injury to his
> subjects, the inferior rulers…must attempt to remove him by force.
> (The Foundations of Modern Political Thought, Vol Two, Quentin
> Skinner, 1978, p.206).”
>
> Did not the FBI at Waco on April 19, 1993, acting as
> the federal government, and hence, in the capacity of the ruler, kill
> by burning and shooting a number of its “subjects, according to the film Rules of Engagement (1997) by William Gazecki? Then in 1999 Michael McNulty released Waco: A New Revelation, about the killng of the Branch Davidians which had been attributed by the media to their mass suicide.

Did not the
> “ruler,” that is, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, shoot and kill Vicki Weaver
> from a distance away in August of 1992 when Daddy Bush was president?
> Earlier U.S. Marshals shot and killed fourteen year old Sammy Weaver
> in the back, and killed his dog Striker.

Swiss Calvinist Pierre Viret (1511-1571) had said in his Remonstrances
> (1550) that inferior magistrates are powers ordained by God with a
> duty to protect the people against supreme rulers when the supreme
> rulers fall into ungodliness or tyranny.

“Inferior magistrates” would be state governors, state legislatures,
> and county and city governments. Yet the Viret idea that lower level
> government should protect the people against tyranny by the highest
> level rulers is not made explicit in the U.S. Constitution. The 1787
> Constitution, according to historian Gordon Wood in The Creation of
> the American Republic (1969), was not fully based upon the English
> republican ideology of opposition between the people’s freedom and the
> power of the government. The Constitution of 1787 was, Wood, said,
> “…intrinsically an aristocratic document designed to check the
> democratic tendencies of the period.”

John Knox (1505-1572), a Scottish Calvinist, and Christopher Goodman
> (1520-1603), apparently an Englishman, came up with the doctrine that
> it is the duty of each citizen and of the “whole multitude” to
> maintain and defend the moral laws of God against their own rulers and
> lesser magistrates (Skinner, 1978, p.237).

At this time, however, Christians are not called to make physical war against an evil government.
The Christian Remnant should, however, put on the full armor of God of Ephesians
6: 11-18 and do spiritual battle against the evil beast government and against the
fallen angels who inspire the beast, the kosmokratoras, that Paul mentions. We have to put on
the truth, righteousness (Christ’s righteousness and mind), the gospel, the shield of faith,
the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. The sword
of the Spirit is an offensive weapon, spiritually, which we use to take new territory
from the beast, though at this point in time we do not totally overthrow the beast. That
is the work of the Lord himself.

>Calvinist John Ponet (1514-1556) taught that when the people allow
> rulers to become idolators and wicked that God will punish the people
> with famine, pestilence and wars.
>
> But what about Romans 13: 1-7? The Catholics and the Church of
> England have interpreted Romans 13 to mean that the ruler has a divine right
> to govern the people, given to him by God. The people must obey the
> ruler, or government in all that he or it does.

Romans 13: 1-7 says “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
> For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of
> God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance
> of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
> For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
> then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou
> shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to
> thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid: for he
> beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a
> revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must
> needs to subject, not only for wreath, but also for conscience sake.
> For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers,
> attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all
> their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom;
> fear to whom fear; honor to whom honored.”

John Gill, in his 18th century commentary on the Bible says of Romans
> 13: 4 says that “He is a minister of
> God’s appointing and commissioning, that acts under him, and for him,
> is a kind of a vicegerent of his, and in some, sense represents him;
> and which is another reason why men ought to be subject to him; and
> especially since he is appointed for their “good”, natural, moral,
> civil, and spiritual, as Pareus observes: for natural good, for the
> protection of men’s natural lives, which otherwise would be in
> continual danger from wicked men; for moral good, for the restraining
> of vice, and encouragement of virtue; profaneness abounds exceedingly,
> as the case is, but what would it do if there were no laws to forbid
> it, or civil magistrates to put them in execution? for civil good, for
> the preservation of men’s properties, estates, rights, and liberties,
> which would be continually invaded, and made a prey of by others; and
> for spiritual and religious good, as many princes and magistrates have
> been; a sensible experience of which we have under the present
> government of these kingdoms, allowing us a liberty to worship God
> according to our consciences, none making us afraid, and is a reason
> why we should yield a cheerful subjection to it.”

Gill seems to be saying that Paul is describing Godly rulers,
> and that these Godly rulers should be respected and obeyed, as long as
> they are Godly.

John Knox, the sixteenth century Calvinist leader in Scotland, was
> sentenced to death by the Catholics in 1556. Knox said that the king
> and the lower level magistrates were not placed above the people to
> rule as tyrants. He said the chief duty of magistrates is to punish
> evil doing, and to support the well doers (Skinner, 1978, p.55).
> John Knox pointed out that Romans 13 defines the duty of rulers as one
> of punishing those who do evil, and to protect the people from those
> who would harm them..
>
> Like any other text in the Bible, Romans 13 needs to be interpreted in
> light of other Bible verses.
>
> One text that is often used to set some limits upon the interpretation
> of Romans 13 to mean we must obey rulers regardless of their policies,
> actions or words is Acts 5: 29. The Pharisees and the high priest
> had warned Peter and the other apostles not to teach in Christ’s name.
> Peter then said, “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
>
> If a ruler requires a Christian to do something that clearly violates
> a moral law in the Bible, then Acts 5: 29 should be applied rather
> than the view that Romans 13 commands us to obey the government
> regardless of what it does.
>
> There is more in the Bible that can be used to interpret Romans 13.
> The Ten Commandments and other moral laws in the Old and New
> Testaments were given to protect us from murder, theft,
> wife-stealing, harm to an unborn child (Exodus 21: 22), from being
> cheated by usury (Exodus 22: 25, etc) and some other harmful acts of
> others.
>
> The Old Testament speaks often of the rights of people. Psalm 9: 4
> says “For thou hast maintained my right and my cause.” Right is from
> mishpat, justice. Psalm 9: 4 says God will maintain the right to
> justice of the Psalmist.
>
> Psalm 140: 12 says “I know that the Lord will maintain the cause of
> the afflicted, and the right of the poor.” Afflicted is from aniy,
> humble, or lowly in circumstances, and poor is from ebyown, destitute.
> Some other texts that promise protection for the rights of the people
> are Proverbs 29: 7, and Proverbs 31: 9.
>
> “Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write
> grievousness which they have prescribed; to turn aside the needy from
> judgment, and to take away the right of the poor of my people…
> (Isaiah 10: 1-2).” This is a warning from the Lord to rulers not to
> take away the rights of the people, especially of the poor. If the
> rulers make and enforce laws that cause harm or injustice to the
> powerless, then God says woe to them. This also applies to judges who
> judge unrighteously; it also applies to the police and prosecuting
> attorneys who charge innocent people with crimes.
>
> Then Isaiah 59: 14 says “And judgment is turned away backward, and
> justice standeth afar off : for truth is fallen in the street, and
> equity cannot enter.” Judgment is turned away backward and stands
> far off in many of our courts now. Equity is defined by Black’s Law
> Dictionary as “…the spirit and habit of fairness, justness and right
> dealing…” The confusion in America from our having become the
> Babylon of Prophecy means that moral standards have been lowered and
> many morals have been lost, and as Isaiah 59: 14 explains, “truth is
> fallen in the street.” We hear too many lies and are confronted with
> too much deception from government, the media and others.
>
> The American rulers at this point in time have failed to a great
> extent in their duty to punish evil and to reward good works.
>
> And the ruling elite have been moving behind the scenes to fully
> reestablish their absolute rule, which is something like the old divine right of
rulers so that just about all the
> people will be willing to obey them, no matter how oppressive they
> are.. They might then come out from behind the
> curtains into the open, perhaps when the devil, their leader, has come down
> “…unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but
> a short time (Revelation 12: 12).”

Life Spans of Zero Moote and Most of His Children


Life Spans of Zero Moote and Most of His Children
Bernard Pyron

The other day after I found out on Facebook that Dave MacPhearson, a
Christian writer, was driven from his home in Kansas by a storm and
flooding on a nearby River, I tried to find where Fannie Horton Moote
is buried, apparently in the next county to the west from where
MacPhearson lives with his wife. He is about my age. I didn’t find
on the Internet where Fannie’s grave is. Its probably in Osborne county,
Kansas, down in the SE corner near where they lived. MacPhearson lives
on the Solomon river in Mitchell county.

The life spans of Zero Moote and his six children who survived into
adulthood indicate a longevity greater than average, especially for
Zero who lived to be 86 or 87, and his two sons, Lewis and Arthur, who
lived into their late eighties. The average
age at death for American men is now at about 75 and was younger in
earlier years.

I will probably put this on a blog.

Fannie Horton Moote is my grandmother. She was the wife of grandfather
Zero Moote.

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.moote/20/mb.ashx

Fannie wife b. Aug. 1864 age 35, married 15 years. born in New York
Fannie Moote died on June 2, 1903 a week after giving birth to Hazel Fern.

Hazel Fern Moote was the “lost aunt” who was raised by the Davis family
after her mother died in 1903. Apparently the Davis family lived nearby in
Osborne county, Kansas. The Moote family tradition said Hazel Fern was
taken out of
Kansas by the Davis family and “lost.” She lived in the flat part of Colorado.

Katie Soto who provided much of the information on the life spans of the Mootes is the
grand daughter of Hazel Fern Moote and my second cousin.

Name: Zero Moote
Death Date: 17 Mar 1945
Death Place: Sutherland Springs, Wilson, Texas
Gender: Male
Race: White
Death Age: 86 years
Estimated Birth Date:
Birth Date: 22 Jul 1859 I saw another date for his birth
somewhere; it said 1858.
Birthplace: Ontario, Canada

The above information was sent to me by Katie Soto, a descendant of Hazel Fern.

I think Fannie and Zero Moote had eight children. George died young
and Hattie died when apparently a teenager. They had two sons who survived,
Lewis and Arthur. When I was growing up I knew of two sisters of Mother,
Aunt Bessie and Aunt Helen. Much later I learned of the “lost aunt,” Hezel
Fern.

Name: Bessie Kilborn
SSN: 450-17-7104
Last Residence: 78201 San Antonio, Bexar, Texas, United States of America
Born: 6 Mar 1898
Died: Feb 1987

This is Bessie Moote Kilborn, Mother’s sister. She lived to be 89. I got this
information from Katie Soto.

I believe Aunt Helen died at an earlier age than did Aunt Bessie.
Mother, Mable Moote, born 1894 and died 1974, lived to be 80.
But Mother had heart problems for a number of years before
her death from a heart attack.

Here is what I found on Lewis Moote:

“Lewis Henry Moote (1886 – 1974)
Born in Osborne, Kansas, USA on 1886 to Zero Moote and Fannie A
Horton. Lewis Henry married Iva Pearl Earnest and had 5 children.
Lewis Henry married Dora. He passed away on 1974 in Luray, Kansas,
USA. ”

Lets see if i can find Authur Moote:

http://www.cemeteries-of-tx.com/Etx/Wilson/Cemetery/sutherlandM-R.htm

Sutherland Springs Cemetery M-R
Sutherland Springs, Wilson Co. Cemeteries of TX

Moote Arthur January 18, 1892 to June 28, 1981

This is mother’s brother. He lived to be 89.

Here is another site on the dates of Arthur Moote:

http://www.faqs.org/people-search/moote/

ARTHUR MOOTE

January 18, 1892 June 1, 1981 89 years TX 78140 (Nixon,
Gonzales County) 78140 (Nixon, Gonzales County)

Here is the date of Zero’s birth and when he came to the US from Canada:
Census data:
Moote, Zero head b. July 1858 age 44, married 15 years, came to U.S. in 1864
Fannie wife b. Aug. 1864 age 35, married 15 years. born in New York
Lewis H. son b. Oct. 1885 age 14 b. Kansas at school
Hattie daughter b. Jan. 1888, age 12 b. Kansas at school
Arthur A. son b. June 1892 , age 8, b. Kansas

Anabel daughter b. March 1894, age 6, b. Kansas This is Mabel Moote Pyron
George son b. April 1896, age 4 b. Kansas
Bessie daughter, b. March 1898, age 2, b. Kansas
Helen daughter, b. May 1900 0/12 , b. Kansas

Hazel Fern Moote b. on May 26, 1903.

I remember going to see grandfather Zero and his second wife Belle
near Sutherland Springs, Texas perhaps in the late thirties and/or
early forties. But I don’t remember him. I remember Belle’s birds.
I do remember uncle Lewis Moote who came to see Mother I think soon
after World War II and spent several days with us. I remember the
cigars he smoked. But he made it to 88.

I don’t know very much at all about uncle Arthur Moote, except that he
was in World War I and may have been wounded. He apparently came to
Texas from Kansas with Zero Moote and the daughters, Bessie, Mabel,
Hattie and Helen. One of the sites given above associates him with
Nixon, Texas in Gonzales County.

More on the Mootes:

My message to Katie Soto June 15, 2011: “Apparently the Moote
descendants of Zero inherited higher than average intelligence,
despite the interpersonal problems in the family. Mother, for example,
has one son and two grandsons with Ph.D. degrees. David Bush, Mary’s
son, is a Ph.D. cotton breeder, and Mark Pyron, one of my sons is a
Ph.D. tenured professor at Ball State College in Muncie, Indiana.”

Hi Bernard,

Fannie Horton Moote is buried at Delhi Cemetery, in Osborne County,
Kansas. It is a small cemetery, but her headstone is quite grand.
Osborne County is in northern Kansas next to Russell County where
Lewie Moote lived. I used to live in Wichita, so it was only about a 3
hour drive for me in 2000.

You are correct that it seems that descendants of Zero Moote are quite
intelligent. My sister, Deanne Larson, has a PhD in finance, and my
brother, Eric, is an aerospace engineer at NASA in Houston. They
always did well in science and math too. My brother could beat my
father at chess when he was 9 years old, and he won the New Jersey
state chess championship in the early 80s when he was in high school.
My father was an airline pilot for Pan American World Airways. You are
a learned man yourself.

Ellen Lampman remarried a man of Iris (Irish?) descent in Iowa after she left
Henry Moote. She stayed near Pharaoh Moote and his family in Iowa. I
will see what I can find about Doris Kilborn. It should not be too
difficult to research.
Katie

Ellen Lampman is my great grandmother, the mother of Zero Moote.
Pharaoh Moote is Zero Moote’s brother.

Doris Mae Kilborn

Birth 7 SEP 1924 in San Antonio, Bexar TX USA
Death 11 DEC 1993 in San Antonio, Bexar TX USA

So, my first cousin Doris Kilborn, daughter of Bessie and Ernest
Kilborn, lived to be 69.

Here is her burial information:

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
about Doris Brown
Name: Doris Brown
Service Info.: MAJOR US AIR FORCE
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1924
Death Date: 11 Dec 1993
Relation: Wife of Brown, Lloyd Weldon
Interment Date: 16 Dec 1993
Cemetery: Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 1520 Harry Wurzbach Road San Antonio, TX 78209
Buried At: Section 21 Site 1808

Doris was a Major in the Air Force? But it says here “Wife of Brown,
Lloyd Weldon.”
I know her husband ,Lloyd Weldon Brown ,was an Air Force officer, because
I talked to him once when I was at Lackland Air Force base in 1951 and he was
I believe a Captain then and in charge of a training squadron.

She (Doris) had two sons according to the Texas Birth Index:
View Record Name Birth Date Birth County Father’s name
Mother’s name View Image Order Record
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Lloyd Weldon Jr. Brown 18 Aug 1946 Bexar Lloyd Weldon
Brown Sr. Doris Mae Kilborn
View Record
Larry Allen Brown 14 Feb 1957 Travis Lloyd Weldon
Brown Doris Mae Kilborn
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